G. C. Jeffers

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Hell

I have gone to church my entire life. For a good chunk of my life, I made winning at church one of the sources of my self-esteem.

Winning at church meant that I knew all of the answers in bible class and that I never misbehaved in a way that would embarrass my parents. When I was nine years old, winning at church meant that I needed to be baptized. This made me, for about a year when another kid got dunked, the holiest person in my class.

Sometime around early high school, I stopped winning at church. I decided that the doctrine of Hell didn’t make any sense. And, because I’m me (I was on the debate team in middle school and high school), I interrogated my Sunday School teachers about it. I figured that, if God was all powerful, he didn’t have to send anybody to Hell. And, if he actually loved people, then he wouldn’t set them on fire for eternity. I couldn’t understand why temporal sin (even murder) merited eternal punishment.

I concluded that the bible was contradictory (it said God loved the whole world, but it also said that sinners would burn forever), and that God was a hoax. And this, more than winning at church, fed my new self-esteem project; it fed my desire to be a Thinker and a Questioner.

* * *

One day, the new youth group intern asked me to stay after bible class one Sunday (there was, by the way, no “I’m not going to go to church” business with my parents; I didn’t even try it). He explained his understanding of Hell which, later in life, I realized that he lifted from C.S. Lewis, a la “Hell is locked from the inside.”

That was new. Somehow it had never occurred to me that Hell, perhaps, involved a violation of God’s will. I had just presumed that God was a big bully who sent people to Hell who didn’t do what he said. But, according to this guy, people in Hell chose to be there, and they could leave whenever they wanted.

I decided that this sounded okay. I didn’t know how God went about offering the choice (my own sense of ethics required the choice be conscious and knowing), but I accepted that he did. This conversation ended my streak of teenage rebellion (yes, my kind of rebellion involved disagreeing about Christian doctrine; I didn’t smoke until I was 18, drink until I studied abroad in Germany, have sex until I was married, or do illegal drugs ever).

* * *

By the time I was sixteen, I wanted back in. I wanted the youth group to accept me. I wanted church to mean something. I wanted friends who had the same faith language that I had.

I chose, one February, to skip the state debate tournament (where I was poised to advance pretty far) in order to attend a Houston area church youth rally. At this rally I heard a speaker describe the human condition as the desire to “get all we can, can all we get, and sit on the lid.” While he went on to describe a Jesus who could save people from that, I got stuck on that phrase.

* * *

I wanted what I wanted. I wanted validation and affirmation. I wanted love and acceptance. I wanted pleasure and freedom from pain. And all this wanting, all this horrendous longing to be loved, all this winning at church–this was Hell.

I understood: Hell is like being on fire and never being able to put it out. Hell is like being eaten by worms from the inside. Hell is the natural consequence of selfish acts, of our self-esteem projects.

Hell is believing in a postmortem torture chamber where a creator God would send his (or our) enemies.

Hell is believing in the scarcity of love, in the finitude of grace.



7 responses to “Hell”

  1. […] of his rules. The punishment for sin (despite what St. Paul actually says) was Hell (which I had problems with anyway). I have spent most of my adult life dealing with the effects of this view of sin. As I […]

  2. Thanks for using your wonderful ability with words to describe my feelings so accurately. I don’t think I’ll be forgetting the last line of this post anytime soon. Also, thanks for sharing your ideas freely and publicly even when you know there will be plenty who disagree. Hope your life is fantastic, friend.

  3. Greg.

    I want to argue with you. Specifically, I would like to do it in person, over a cup of coffee, and I would like your wife to be present. I think we should argue for a really long time, and I disagree with everything you say.

    Cordially,

    Morgan

  4. Hi Greg, I always enjoy reading your blogs. As usual, this is way long. I know I write on and on, and I’m sorry for that. I tend to be that way no matter what I’m writing about.

    I don’t know that anyone can say for sure whether the references to hell being made of fire are literal or figurative. I looked up the word “hell”, and it is used 15 times in the new testament, most of which are spoken by Jesus. For example, in Matthew 18:9, he says, “If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.” So he mentions the word, “fiery”, but he also says to pluck out your eye if it causes you to sin, and I think we both know that this last one is his figurative way to say, “whatever causes you to sin, get it out of your life!” Whether hell is made up of fire or not is of no matter to me. The thing that will make hell so bad is that those who are there will be separated from God. To some people, maybe that doesn’t sound so bad now. But on the other side of eternity, I think they will see it differently.

    Keep in mind that God does not want anyone to perish and be separated from him. “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” 2 Pet. 3:9 It’s not as if he is standing over us ready to put shackles on us and throw us into hell. But God is perfection, and can’t tolerate sin. “For you are not a God that has pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with you.”

    Greg, you said, “Hell is believing in the scarcity of love, in the finitude of grace.” If I understanding what you are saying, it is that to believe in hell is the same as believing that there is no love or grace with God. I do not believe that is true at all. Note these verses:

    John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.”

    Hebrews 12:14-15 – “Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;”

    God’s love is for the whole world, and that is why he sent Jesus so the whole world would have the opportunity to have eternal life. God’s love does not end just because someone chooses not to believe, and thus, to perish. Without Jesus, we were all lost. What a God of love to give us the opportunity to come back to him and be saved!!

    God’s grace abounds for everyone. He does not yank it away from us. But we can fall short of it because we fail to live right. Thanks to God for providing us with this grace! Let us accept it with pureness of heart.

    So, hell is not believing in the scarcity of love and the finitude of grace. Hell is when we fail to believe in Jesus Christ and don’t accept God’s love, and it is falling short of God’s grace by our own actions.

    To close, hell is not God’s evil plan to punish people. It is the result of our own free will to live as we please, thus to stay separated from God by our own actions. He loves us and wants each of us in heaven with him.

    2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.

    1. Hey Jan, thanks for the comment.

      I didn’t write this to put forward an argument. This is me telling a story and revealing an insight I had, namely that God’s grace and love cannot be limited, even by Hell. That is a personal belief rooted in experience. It is not an abstract or logically syllogistic belief rooted in an interpretation of Scripture.

      I just flat out don’t agree with your definition of the Gospel or with how you handle scripture. I think you are proof texting (taking bits of scripture out of their contexts and lining them up to argue a point).

      I don’t believe that Scripture is innerant, infallible, or logical.

      I do believe that Scripture is an inspired, mostly narrative, collection of diverse human writings.

      I don’t believe you can deduce a single coherent or logical conclusion about any topic through a survey of scripture verses.

      I do believe that Scripture forms a grand narrative that culminates in the story of Jesus.

      I don’t believe that the purpose of Jesus was to die in my place for my sins–that is, I don’t accept penal substitutionary atonement.

      I do believe that the purpose of Jesus was to lead us, though death to our selves, into new life in him.

      I don’t think we can know about the reality of Heaven or Hell since no one who has been there can tell us about it.

      I do believe that we should be focused on the Kingdom of God now, not in a postmortem future.

      I have my reasons for all of these assumptions, but I don’t have the space and time to go through everything right now.

      If you are further interested in the Hell question, Richard Beck (a professor at ACU) has a very good series of posts defending the idea that God saves all people–the belief called universalism. You can find those posts here: http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2006/11/why-i-am-universalist-summing-up-and.html

      Blessings!

      1. Greg,

        I only want to make a couple of more comments, and then I will let this die. First, please don’t assume that my intention was to start an argument. My intention is never that. When I read something that I do not believe is correct, I try to present my understanding in as decent and as unargumentative a way as I can. Any time a person writes their views, myself included, they present an opportunity for someone to respond back, whether in agreement or disagreement.

        Second, I do my best not to “proof text”. Every scripture I present, I always read the context in which it was written to the original church/person to whom it was written. Does that mean I always come to the right conclusion? No. But I have a better chance than if I didn’t.

        I don’t mind being disagreed with. But I don’t think anyone likes to have their motives assumed wrongly.

        Thank you.

        Jan

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